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Re: FUJI TELEVISION JAPANESE GRAND PRIX 2009 (Suzuka)
« Respuesta #240 en: Octubre 04, 2009, 17:22:54 pm »
Vamos a ver si me aclaro paso por paso. Basandonos en http://www.fia.com/en-GB/mediacentre/f1_media/Documents/jpn09_race_grid.pdf

Sin penalizaciones:

01. Vettel
02. Trulli
03. Hamilton
04. Sutil
05. Barrichello
06. Heidfield
07. Button
08. Raikkonen
09. Kovalainen
10. Buemi
11. Rosberg
12. Alonso
13. Kubika
14. Glock
15. Alguersuari
16. Fisichella
17. Nakajima
18. Grosjean
19. Luizzi
20. Webber

Primera penalización de Luizzi, pero no lo modificaremos para no hacer esto pesado... segunda penalización para los coches de Barrichello y Alonso, que pasan de 5 y 12 a 10 y 17 respectivamente

01. Vettel
02. Trulli
03. Hamilton
04. Sutil
05. Heidfield
06. Button
07. Raikkonen
08. Kovalainen
09. Buemi
10. Barrichello
11. Rosberg
12. Kubika
13. Glock
14. Alguersuari
15. Fisichella
16. Nakajima
17. Alonso
18. Grosjean
19. Luizzi
20. Webber

Siguiente penalización, Buemi. Del 9 al 14.

01. Vettel
02. Trulli
03. Hamilton
04. Sutil
05. Heidfield
06. Button
07. Raikkonen
08. Kovalainen
09. Barrichello
10. Rosberg
11. Kubika
12. Glock
13. Alguersuari
14. Buemi
15. Fisichella
16. Nakajima
17. Alonso
18. Grosjean
19. Luizzi
20. Webber

Tercera penalización para Sutil y Button que pasan del 4 y 6 al 9 y 11 respectivamente.

01. Vettel
02. Trulli
03. Hamilton
04. Heidfield
05. Raikkonen
06. Kovalainen
07. Barrichello

08. Sutil
09. Rosberg
10. Kubika
11. Button
12. Glock
13. Alguersuari
14. Buemi
15. Fisichella
16. Nakajima
17. Alonso
18. Grosjean
19. Luizzi
20. Webber

Cuarta y última penalización para Kovalainen que pasa del 6 al 11

01. Vettel
02. Trulli
03. Hamilton
04. Heidfield
05. Raikkonen
06. Barrichello
07. Sutil

08. Rosberg
09. Kubika
10. Button
11. Kovalainen
12. Glock
13. Alguersuari
14. Buemi
15. Fisichella
16. Nakajima
17. Alonso
18. Grosjean
19. Luizzi
20. Webber

Finalmente hay que desplazar a Glock y a Webber fuera de la parrilla:


01. Vettel
02. Trulli
03. Hamilton
04. Heidfield
05. Raikkonen
06. Barrichello
07. Sutil

08. Rosberg
09. Kubika
10. Button
11. Kovalainen
12. Alguersuari
13. Buemi
14. Fisichella
15. Nakajima
16. Alonso
17. Grosjean
18. Luizzi

Ya tenemos la parrilla definitiva. Por lo visto depende de la secuencia de las penalizaciones, lo que no acabo de entender es el tema de meter a Buemi entre los 4 fantasticos (a su vez que separalos en dos grupos).
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Re: FUJI TELEVISION JAPANESE GRAND PRIX 2009 (Suzuka)
« Respuesta #241 en: Octubre 04, 2009, 17:49:13 pm »
el caso, que visto lo visto, y teniendo en cuenta lo que ayer hablamos de intencionalidad o no, en cada caso, tendrian que haber ido penalizando de forma que los mas "penalizados" en la parrilla definitiva fueran aquellos que entraron en Q3 haciendo completo caso omiso a la bandera amarilla, leanse, Barrichello, Sutil, Button, u no al reves.... :nusenuse:   si a Alonso lo penalizan el ultimo, en lugar de los primeros, quiza hubiera ganado alguna posicion de la 16º.

Da la sensacion de que han dado muchas vueltas al rompecabezas para que al final la parrilla quedara como mejor les cuadraba a ellos cara a mantener emocion en el campeonato, simplemente... no llevando un orden concreto..

Eso, es otra cosa que deberian reflejar en el reglamento, y hacerlo por orden cronologico, o como sea segun han ido sucediendo los diferentes incidentes.

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Re: FUJI TELEVISION JAPANESE GRAND PRIX 2009 (Suzuka)
« Respuesta #242 en: Octubre 04, 2009, 17:59:20 pm »
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Re: FUJI TELEVISION JAPANESE GRAND PRIX 2009 (Suzuka)
« Respuesta #243 en: Octubre 04, 2009, 19:14:36 pm »
el caso, que visto lo visto, y teniendo en cuenta lo que ayer hablamos de intencionalidad o no, en cada caso, tendrian que haber ido penalizando de forma que los mas "penalizados" en la parrilla definitiva fueran aquellos que entraron en Q3 haciendo completo caso omiso a la bandera amarilla, leanse, Barrichello, Sutil, Button, u no al reves.... :nusenuse:   si a Alonso lo penalizan el ultimo, en lugar de los primeros, quiza hubiera ganado alguna posicion de la 16º.

Da la sensacion de que han dado muchas vueltas al rompecabezas para que al final la parrilla quedara como mejor les cuadraba a ellos cara a mantener emocion en el campeonato, simplemente... no llevando un orden concreto..

Eso, es otra cosa que deberian reflejar en el reglamento, y hacerlo por orden cronologico, o como sea segun han ido sucediendo los diferentes incidentes.

Es que lo han hecho. Según han ido sucediendo acontecimientos. Primero Luizzi y su cambio, luego Alonso y Barrichello. Se incorpora Buemi y lo penalizan, poco después pasan por la zona problemática, Button y Sutil. Finalmente Kovalainen cambia la caja de cambios y Webber y Glock son quitados de la parrilla.
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Re: FUJI TELEVISION JAPANESE GRAND PRIX 2009 (Suzuka)
« Respuesta #244 en: Octubre 04, 2009, 19:42:53 pm »
¡Mensaje para los observadores! Heikki Kovalainen se ha picado con un Ferrari a la salida de boxes, ¿con cuál ha sido? Yo juraría que era Kimi pero no estoy seguro.




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Re: FUJI TELEVISION JAPANESE GRAND PRIX 2009 (Suzuka)
« Respuesta #245 en: Octubre 04, 2009, 19:47:21 pm »
No, era Fisichella.
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Re: FUJI TELEVISION JAPANESE GRAND PRIX 2009 (Suzuka)
« Respuesta #246 en: Octubre 04, 2009, 20:23:29 pm »

Vettel, una fusión de Michael Schumacher.....







.....y Kimi Räikkönen.



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Re: FUJI TELEVISION JAPANESE GRAND PRIX 2009 (Suzuka)
« Respuesta #247 en: Octubre 04, 2009, 20:28:23 pm »
Vettel, una fusión de Michael Schumacher.....
.....y Kimi Räikkönen.

Ya se dijo el año pasado que este empezaba joven :roto2rie:... y parece que le gusta... :risa: :cunaooooo
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Re: FUJI TELEVISION JAPANESE GRAND PRIX 2009 (Suzuka)
« Respuesta #248 en: Octubre 04, 2009, 20:44:53 pm »
Casi como este:

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Re: FUJI TELEVISION JAPANESE GRAND PRIX 2009 (Suzuka)
« Respuesta #249 en: Octubre 04, 2009, 21:12:36 pm »
A Few Conclusions From The Japanese GP
Unchampion-like Button is very nearly the champion after another crawl...

Button Steps Nearer The Title Despite Continuing To Crawl

At some point in the near future, a F1 statto will reveal whether a World Champion has ever won the title with as few points as Jenson Button has/will collect in the final ten races of this season.

2009 has been a year of two halves for the Brawn driver: smooth serenity in the first, a slippery slog in the second. It is a remarkable fact that he remains 14 points clear at the top of the standings having garnered a mere 18 since winning in Turkey nine races ago.

Yet, despite not so much stumbling towards the finishing line as crawling, Button took a big step towards the championship in Japan with another exercise in damage limitation. It remains a deeply unsatisfactory and unimpressive way for a championship to be won but, as revealed by his cheery post-race demeanour in Suzuka, Button will not care for such considerations. In a couple of years' time, the only people remember the how rather than the what will be that much-maligned breed of number crunchers.

Vettel Still Has A One In Ten Chance


But lightning can and does strike twice and, courtesy of his imperious victory in Japan, the chances of Seb Vettel winning this year's title still is greater than that of Kimi Raikkonen when there were two races remaining of the 2007 season. Vettel has a deficit of one less point to overcome than Raikkonen faced twenty-four months ago and the chances of Button scoring points in Brazil and Abu Dhabi is significantly less than that of Hamilton and his then McLaren team-mate Fernando Alonso in the final two grands prix of the 2007 campaign.

Even if it is only a slight chance, something akin to a one-in-ten possibility, Vettel is the greater threat to Button than Rubens Barrichello despite the Brazilian being two points closer in the standings. As Button should be able to sufficiently counter Rubens in equal machinery, the fear inside the Brawn camp will be of Red Bull providing Vettel with the fastest car on the grid for both Sao Paulo and Abu Dhabi while Mark Webber acts as his rear gunner.

Vettel's general inconsistency this season - and he has yet to prove he can win races when not boasting the fastest car on the grid - suggests he won't be able to maintain his imperious Suzuka form in another two races but the possibility of a dramatic twist remains open. Just.

Toyota May Finally Be Coming Good

Nothings seems as inspirational in F1 as the threat to continued employment. With the team's future in the balance, Toyota have responded with back-to-back podiums courtesy of both Timo Glock and Jarno Trulli recording their best results of the season. Trulli's second place in Toyota's Japanese heartland will have been especially soothing to the company's directors.

The great unknown is just how much credit Glock and Trulli deserve. While their car seems particularly ill-suited to low-speed circuits, there remains a nagging feeling that, overall, they have both failed to adequately match its potential. Nobody can know how much better Toyota's results this season would have been with better and consistent drivers behind the wheel but the team's decision to ditch both Glock and Trulli is telling.

And given the respective seasons of both teams, it is more than a little surprising that Robert Kubica is apparently fixed on joining Renault ahead of Toyota.

Speaking of whom...

Kubica Benefits From Quality Shortfall

An indication of the quality shortfall in this year's driver market is the popularity of Kubica. He may be a talented driver but the big-money offers made by Renault and Toyota for his services are more than the Pole's results deserve.

Since his victory in Canada eighteen months ago, Kubica has stagnated and his attitude, on occasion, has been questionable. He lacks the star appeal of a Hamilton or a Alonso and has provided no evidence of team-leadership skills either. Beaten by his team-mate this weekend, he trails Nick Heidfeld, hardly the toughest in-house opponent in F1, by nine points to fifteen.

It would be an exaggeration to describe Kubica's popularity as perplexing because he is clearly benefiting from the shortage of top-class talent in the sport. But it's worthy of reflection because it underlines just how average the average driver currently in F1 actually is.

F1 Has Become Too Close


The lack of overtaking achieved around one of F1's most cherished circuits is an unhappy reflection to be made in greater depth by the Winners&Losers column. But it is a point that needs to be highlighted wherever possible because F1 is in a sorry state when even the deployment of a safety car with just a few laps remaining still results in a procession rather than points-changing passing.

Aside from the aerodynamic characteristics of the cars, part of the problem may be that F1 has become too close. Far from being a positive, it could actually be a negative force against the sport's appeal that barely a couple of tenths separates the field because that competiveness naturally reduces the potential for the sort of overtaking that makes a 5am start worth the sleep-depriving price.

Transfer Regrets For Fisichella And Briatore...

Much more of this from Giancarlo Fisichella and Luca Badoer will be justified in asking for an apology. From the moment his transfer from Force India was first mooted, Fisi's move to Ferrari looked like a risk. But nobody could have foreseen the woe that has befallen him.

Given that Fisichella was in prime form in late August, it is obvious from his struggles in the F60 that the Ferrari is a handful and difficult car to master. With the benefit of an alternative measuring gauge, Badoer now looks merely bad rather than utterly atrocious.

It is also becoming apparent that mid-season driver alternations are just liable to make a problem worse than offer a solution now that F1 is shorn of summer testing. At Renault, Roman Grosjean has flopped terribly and it is surely the worst mistake of Flavio Briatore's career to have axed Nelson Piquet when he knew what he did about Singapore and replaced him with an inferior product.

Raikkonen Loses Out Because, Like His Hat, His Face Didn't Fit

Hiding behind the mantra that they will not make any comments that can be interpreted as criticism of Kimi Raikkonen, Ferrari have offered little as explanation to the question being pondered up and down the pitlane this weekend: Just what did Raikkonen do so wrong?

If the justification for his axing is that Alonso is a superior driver then the simple retort is that Raikkonen's inferiority is not commensurate to the cost of change. Perhaps, some have suggested, the change actually amounts to a financial gain for Ferrari because of Alonso's association with Santander, the team's new sponsor. But that seems unlikely. Alonso will not have come cheap and Raikkonen's pay-off, given he was under contract as the highest-paid driver in the sport, will have been even more expensive.

As his driving has been mostly satisfactory, the suspicion is that Raikkonen has been dropped because his face, like his hat, had ceased to fit at Ferrari. The references to his "character" in the aftermath of Felipe Massa's Budapest crash were a clue to the thinking in Maranello a and, despite his general reticence to reveal, earlier this week Luca Di Montezemolo was quoted as explaining to Gazzetta dello Sport that "It's a matter of personality, because Kimi is the type of person that shows little emotion, he keeps everything inside. These things don't help with the exchange of information inside the team."

Yet Di Montezemolo's follow up description of Alonso and Massa as "a great pairing, an all-latin pairing" would suggest that Raikkonen's perceived shortfall

was more to do with his character and personality than his work with car development. Only those privy to the inner workings at Ferrari will truly know the exact reasoning, but, in theory at least, Alonso should be a better fit at Ferrari. He has Italian blood through his mother, can speak the language and the type of spikey personality that is likely to appeal to the Tifosio.

The flip side is that Raikkonen's sombre character - his working character, that is, because he retains a reputation for being a party animal away from the track - should dovetail with the quiet, rarefied atmosphere at McLaren, just as Alonso's did not.

Now we just need the deal to be signed and delivered.

McLaren remain insistent that Raikkonen's return has yet to be finalised but it is a transfer that F1 requires. There are simply not enough good enough drivers on the grid at present and for the sport to lose one of its most gifted combatants would be a disaster.

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Re: FUJI TELEVISION JAPANESE GRAND PRIX 2009 (Suzuka)
« Respuesta #250 en: Octubre 04, 2009, 21:15:39 pm »
Winners and Losers: Japan
Sunday 4th October 2009

Vettel helped breath life into the Drivers' Championship in Japan as the stewards let Williams get away with the-dog-ate-my-homework of F1 excuses.

Star of the Race
Jarno Trulli, Toyota, 2nd

Quite simply one of Trulli's best ever races - and given the circumstances he came into it, even more impressive. He had endured a miserable Singapore GP and seen his team-mate inherit a podium place he probably didn't deserve, yet he bounced back to put the car into P2 on Saturday. At the time there were knowing looks of "let's see how little fuel he has when the car weights are published" but when they were, he was on the same strategy as the Brawns, Hamilton and Vettel.

He started from the dirty side of the grid in what has been a slow-starting race car, yet easily held on to P3 and wouldn't let Hamilton out of his sight. Looking at the state of Jarno in the ante-room to the podium you could tell he had worked for it. He looked like he'd had a tough workout at the gym whereas Lewis looked like he'd strolled across the car park having spent the race in the motorhome.

Overtaking Move of the Race

Lap 3 - Jenson Button on Robert Kubica for P10
Certainly a contender for overtaking move of the season, this was one of the most sublime passes of 2009, with all the deft trickery of Mansell versus Piquet at Silverstone.

Button was all over the back of Kubica in the final sector of the circuit and on the previous two laps had loomed large in Kubica's mirrors up the inside going into the final chicane. Robert knew Jenson had to get past quickly and that the Brawn driver wasn't going to just settle back into P11. On Lap 3 Kubica knew he would try it again. This time Jenson flicked the car as though he was going to try the outside, Kubica moved across and Button gleefully stuck his Brawn up the inside going into the braking zone of the chicane.

The onboard footage of that will be brilliant to watch.

Winners

Sebastian Vettel, Red Bull, 1st

Vettel kept the dream alive with a dominant win from pole to flag and only Mark Webber's late flying lap stopped him from wringing every single accolade from the Japanese GP. For the non-partisan spectator we couldn't have had a better winner.

Lewis Hamilton, Mclaren, 3rd

Another strong race from Hamilton, though the recent problems with KERS will be a worry. For a system that has performed well all year it's odd to be getting hiccups this late on. Perhaps some of the other teams have invented a jamming device. Lewis would have taken P2 had it not been for - what was explained away as - a gearbox issue.

Kimi Raikkonen, Ferrari, 4th
We saw little of Kimi Raikkonen on television, but his lap times on the FIA timing screen were a joy to behold. In the middle sector he piled on personal best sector time after personal best lap time in his pursuit of Nick Heidfeld. A fantastic job for a car that's supposedly not being developed.

Nico Rosberg, Williams, 5th
My estimation of Rosberg went down a long way after Suzuka as he maintained in an interview with the BBC that at no point did he exceed his Safety Car delta time. How could he know? He told the stewards he couldn't see his delta time because of that pesky Low Fuel warning light...
And what's all this with the "I didn't gain an advantage"? He went from a potential P9 to P5. A psychologist writes: If he hadn't gone over his delta time in the first place why would he need to deny that he gained an advantage?

Nick Heidfeld, BMW, 6th

Should have been fourth.

Rubens Barrichello, Brawn, 7th
The Brawns were a long way behind the pace of the front three and Raikkonen, though Jenson Button in clear air was able to put in the same kind of lap times as Raikkonen for a limited period. Before the Safety Car it looked destined that Nico Rosberg would slot in behind Rubens but in front of Jenson. Button quickly closed that gap, pushed up Rubens' pace and the pair of them looked like taking 6th and 7th till Alguersuari wiped out some innocent polystyrene.

Jenson Button, Brawn, 8th
Button was unlucky to be stuck back on the grid where he was, had a so-so start, but then got a small bit of luck with Sutil and Kovalainen taking each other out. It only released him for three laps before his own pit-stop though. He was much faster in race pace than Barrichello but "Damage Limitation Jense" still needs to do it in qualifying.

Losers

Race Stewards
Let's hope the New-Look FIA of Jean Todt or Ari Vatanen can clear out everyone currently involved in race stewarding. F1 is a high tec sport governed by referees with the consistency of a weather vane. How can Sebastian Vettel get a drive-through penalty in Singapore for exceeding the pitlane speed limit (even though he didn't go faster than the speed limit, just took a shorter route) and get a penalty when Nico Rosberg didn't. Rosberg exceeded his Safety Car in-lap delta time by driving too quickly. Fact. That's an end-of-story kind of penalty. The fact that he couldn't see his delta time because he had a Low Fuel warning light on his steering wheel is a Williams problem. It's the dog-ate-my-homework of F1 excuses. He may not have been unsafe, he may not have gained any advantage, but when you leap from an estimated P8 or P9 to P5 then you have to have an excuse that is more compelling than a Low Fuel light warning obscured my target time. This is the stewards and the FIA ignoring evidence from their own officials, it's Interlagos 2007 all over again and it absolutely stinks.

It also takes some comprehension to work out how and why Rubens Barrichello can get a one-place grid demotion in qualifying while Button gets a three-place demotion for committing the same offence only four or five seconds apart. If that kind of adjustment can be made many hours after the event then they should adjust the race result. It almost certainly won't affect the outcome of the season but it just makes clear-cut offences seem negotiable.

The Extinction of Overtaking

F1 must do something about its technical rules before next season. At the end of the GP, with four laps to go from the restart, it should have been an overtaking bonanza. The sad fact is that the order of the top 10 at the finish was the same as at the restart. A few had a look, nobody was able to make a move.

Franz Tost, Jaime Alguersuari's Toro Rosso bosso
We maintained that Alguersuari looked out of his depth in Singapore and now he's becoming expensive. Franz Tost has made two mistakes: the first by dismissing Bourdais too soon and the second by promoting Alguersurai into the team ahead of his time. What was that old Cher song...?

Heikki Kovalainen, McLaren, 11th

He started 11th and he finished 11th. Kovalainen had moments of brilliance and moments of stupidity in the race, but the good far outweighed the bad. He had an amazing start that saw him rocket past Kubica into 9th place by Turn 1. He eased himself past Sutil early on in the race but then allowed Sutil up the inside into the chicane on Lap 14.

It was Prost versus Senna all over again and the chicane is just too narrow to allow two cars to pass through it easily side by side. True Sutil didn't leave him much room at the exit, but then he probably thought tha Heikki would let him go as they both knew he was stopping in a few laps' time.

Later on in the race Kovalainen pulled a cameo overtaking move on Fisichella, as they both emerged from the pitlane together, by diving up the inside into Turn 1. It was clear from where Giancarlo put his car that he wasn't expecting anyone to appear on his left-hand side.

BBC Commentary

It's worse than I thought. The race commentary team are still getting expert assistance and they're still missing all kinds of stuff. Last race they failed to notice that Nick Heidfeld's epic run of GP finishes had come to an end. This race they failed to notice Rosberg putting a move on Sutil that demoted him from 7th to 9th on Lap 2. And later on that Kubica had overtaken Heidfeld off camera.

Sure, there's a lot going on at the start of the race, but if they've got help via a commentary box producer as a third pair of eyes they shouldn't miss significant action or at least correct their mistakes. It's not like any GP these days is an overtaking fest.

And they're getting hysterical, like some 30's B-movie heroine. You want some pipe-smoking, brogue-wearing, square-jawed hero to dive straight in there and give them a good slap.On no part of the opening lap was Giancarlo Fisichella in front of Jenson Button though you'd think he was. Button had his front wing virtually attached to Kubica's gearbox at the hairpin on Lap 1 with Fisichella in no position to make a move. Coming into the other overtaking point of the circuit, the chicane, Button was still busy trying to look up the inside of Kubica.

He started from P.10 on the dirty side of the grid and lost out to a KERS car on the run down to Turn 1 and finished the opening lap in P11, all over the back of Robert Kubica.
Brundle: "Button's had an awful start."
Leggard: "It's a shocking start."
Jordan: (And this is an hour and a half later) "Button had a horrific start."

He lost a single place...go figure (or as they should say on the BBC these days, "go figure from the get-go down the straightaway, fo sho.").

Jake Humphry did manage to score the most fantastic put-down of David Coulthard in qualifying, though. Tight for time he asked his pundits, "Who's going to be on pole - in a word ...?"

Eddie Jordan came up with a name straight away and then DC started to fumble his way through an answer when Humphry cut him dead with a withering. "I'm sure you were going to say Vettel in the end." Humphry and Crofty are the stars of the 2009 coverage.

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Re: FUJI TELEVISION JAPANESE GRAND PRIX 2009 (Suzuka)
« Respuesta #251 en: Octubre 04, 2009, 21:45:42 pm »
¡Mensaje para los observadores! Heikki Kovalainen se ha picado con un Ferrari a la salida de boxes, ¿con cuál ha sido? Yo juraría que era Kimi pero no estoy seguro.
Kova no se pica, es que Fisichella se duerme por completo, y eso que le había ganado la posición en boxes.
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Re: FUJI TELEVISION JAPANESE GRAND PRIX 2009 (Suzuka)
« Respuesta #252 en: Octubre 04, 2009, 22:24:24 pm »
Cuando Nico Rosberg entró a hacer su segunda parada, justo después de la salida del Safety Car, excedió la velocidad máxima permitida en su camino hacia boxes (la nueva norma que marca el tiempo que cada coche debe emplear en llegar al pit lane, dada su posición, y que aparece en el volante), pero no ha sido penalizado por ello.

La excusa fue que como en el volante se encendió la indicación de que se quedaba sin gasolina, no pudo fijarse en el otro detalle.

La diferencia fue que en lugar de salir del pit lane entre las posiciones 9 y 10 (debería haber estado a la altura de Fernando, más o menos), salió en 5ª posición.

Los comisarios dejaron sin penalización al piloto, porque dieron por buena su explicación de que otro elemento le impidió ver una indicación ordenada por el director de carrera.

Reflexionando acerca del incidente, nos encontramos con un caso en el que el piloto sabía que había un SC porque su equipo debía habérselo advertido por radio, porque pasó por delante del coche accidentado y era más que evidente, y porque las indicaciones luminosas que hay en el circuito con las letras SC, no podía dejar de verlas, por mucho aviso de reserva que le apareciese en el volante. Luego sencillamente ignoró las normas a lo largo de más de media vuelta, entró el el pitlane y salió con ruedas nuevas y combustible hasta el final, manteniendo una posición que no le hubiese correspondido, de haber seguido las normas, sin que los comisarios le sancionasen por ello.

Y la verdad es que solucionar estos temas es muy simple, antes se hacía sin problemas (claro que antes tenían más rubor a la hora de manipular resultados); el piloto que infringe una orden del director de carrera, debe recibir una penalización que anule el beneficio obtenido.

Así de sencillo, y así de claro.

Ayer hubo cuatro pilotos que se saltaron una orden del director de carrera, la de no mejorar tiempo bajo bandera amarilla; pues basta con eliminar los tiempos obtenidos en la vuelta que hicieron con bandera amarilla, y así no hace falta liar la cosa ni causar injusticias. Rosberg hace hoy una vuelta más rápida de lo permitido en su ultima entrada, pues se le hace repetirla, y así ya no se beneficia de una infracción. Buemi entra en la pista después de piñarse, poniendo en riesago a los demás pilotos, pues se le sanciona con no participar en el siguiente GP, y cuando apelen, se les suspende la sanción con un aprcibimiento y una multa (como se hizo con el Renault de Alonso en Hungría, ya que la infracción es la misma).

Y para los cambios de caja de cambios, se usan las sanciones de atrasar cinco puestos.

Eso sería justo, lo de este fin de semana, además de no ser justo, es irregular, ya que se han aplicado sanciones distintas a las que se aplicaron en anteriores ocasiones por la misma falta, y en algunos casos, ni se han producido sanciones.
 
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Re: FUJI TELEVISION JAPANESE GRAND PRIX 2009 (Suzuka)
« Respuesta #253 en: Octubre 04, 2009, 22:35:33 pm »
El circo ha continuado por lo que veo hoy tambien. Las normas las aplican como les salen de los cojones y cuando les salen de los cojones.
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Re: FUJI TELEVISION JAPANESE GRAND PRIX 2009 (Suzuka)
« Respuesta #254 en: Octubre 04, 2009, 22:52:11 pm »
Normal que continúe el circo :cabreo:

Mientras el impresentable indecente de Chalie Witing esté en las pistas, estas cacicadas serán la norma, como ya tenemos archi-comprobado :cabreo

Sigo "intentando rezar" para que se lo "fulminen" a los 2 milisegundos de que se vaya Mad Max y entre el siguiente... :pensando :miedito
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Re: FUJI TELEVISION JAPANESE GRAND PRIX 2009 (Suzuka)
« Respuesta #255 en: Octubre 04, 2009, 23:00:15 pm »
Whiting es el brazo armado, pero no tengo claro de quien.

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Re: FUJI TELEVISION JAPANESE GRAND PRIX 2009 (Suzuka)
« Respuesta #256 en: Octubre 05, 2009, 00:03:55 am »
me sigue sorprendiendo.. que algunos vean el milagro como F.I y despues vuelvan a caer.. ahora le toca a toyota.. (por 2 carreras) y veremos quien es el siguiente

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Re: FUJI TELEVISION JAPANESE GRAND PRIX 2009 (Suzuka)
« Respuesta #257 en: Octubre 05, 2009, 00:05:05 am »
no penalizan a rosberg pq solo veia la señal de que se quedaba sin gasolina?

me la apunto por si la GC me para alguna vez XD

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Re: FUJI TELEVISION JAPANESE GRAND PRIX 2009 (Suzuka)
« Respuesta #259 en: Octubre 05, 2009, 07:52:14 am »
no se puede ser tan bueno XD